Q Magazine: "Crazy Heart" John Mellencamp In Depth Interview
Q Magazine Written By Paul Rees - Pictures By Robert Gallagher
One of America’s 10 greatest songwriter, according to Johnny Cash. Others have
simply described John Mellencamp as “ornery, mean and hateful…”
John Mellencamp’s recording studio, Belmont Mall, speaks volumes of its owner.
Tucked off a rural back road 20 minutes’ drive out of Bloomington, Indiana (the
college town where Mellencamp has lived most of his adult life), from the
outside it is rustic and unscrubbed. Its green clapboard buildings are arranged
in a dogleg around a pebbled courtyard. A basketball hoop hangs out front. A
black sign in the car park reads: Reserved for Elvis Presley.
Inside black and white portraits of Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan and, in the toilet,
of James Dean pissing, hang from white walls. There are many citations and a
framed pair of handwritten commendations, one each from Barack and Michelle
Obama. The gold and platinum discs that occupy one room tell of the 40 million
records Mellencamp has sold.
Q meets Mellencamp at his estate, 10 minutes further along the road and set amid
63 acres of pine forest on the shores of Lake Monroe. An accomplished painter
since his youth, he has his art studio here. A corrugated steel structure like a
space-age barn, its interior consists of high beams, dark wooden floors and
antique furnishings. Art tomes and faded photographs of four generations of
Mellencamps fill one glass-fronted cabinet.
The sound of heavy work boots on steel steps announces Mellencamp’s arrival.
Long perceived of as a Bruce Springsteen rougher sibling, this is precisely how
he appears as he sweeps into the room carrying a battered acoustic guitar and a
Victorian walking cane. He is a short, bullish man; his eyes hidden behind
aviator shades, his arms as thick as slabs of meat. His face, once boyish, is
now more crumpled but still handsome. His head is crowned by a pompadour of
hair. A hacking graveyard cough testifies to the fact that he still smokes like
He squints at Q’s photographer. “You’ve got 30 fucking minutes,” he says by way
of introduction. This noted, he pulls a three-foot blade from top of his walking
cane and swishes it about.
John Mellencamp is notoriously unimpressed with the business of having his
picture taken. The last photographer to visit, an unfortunate gentleman from an
American magazine, was laid out with a single blow when he attempted to
manhandle his subject into position.
But then, Mellencamp’s firebrand reputation precedes him. Ask locals in
Bloomington about their famous son and they will tell of his charitable
contributions to local causes, but also speak more darkly of his apparent
surliness. Many record label executives and collaborators have felt the force of
his fists or temper. Not for nothing did he christen himself “Little Bastard” in
“Back then I was highly strung and very angry,” he says in a deep, husky drawl.
“Always mad at someone, fighting and screaming. Not a pleasant person. I think
it’s in my DNA. I grew up around a bunch of men who were angry. My grandfather,
my dad, my uncles…I resolved to be a better man. I found out in my 30s that
maybe I wasn’t.”
John Mellencamp was born 58 years ago in the industrial town of Seymour, and was
fronting bar bands around Indiana aged 14. At 18 he eloped and got married to
the first of his three wives. His recording career began in the mid – 70’s
under the name of Johnny Cougar (his first manager stopped him from using his
“difficult” given name professionally – he wouldn’t do so exclusively for 15
years). In his own words he made seven albums of “stupid pop songs” and then, in
the mid ‘80’s he got good, mining a rich steam of blue-collar rock anthems. He
and his band became the hottest ticket in America, rivaling his two
contemporaries, Springsteen and Tom Petty, without ever attracting the same
critical acclaim. He would always appear the outsider.
His hot period lasted through to 1993’s downbeat Human Wheels record. Enraged at
his record company’s perceived failure to promote it, he confronted the label
president at a party and punched him. A year later, aged 42, he suffered a heart
attack, having smoked four packs of cigarettes a day for years. Since then he’s
gradually repositioned himself as an American folk singer, the appeal of his
records becoming more selective as exponentially they are heralded.
He doesn’t enjoy being interviewed any more than being photographed, but over
two hours he warms to conversation. When he does, he laughs often in a rasping
wheeze that invariably turns into a coughing fit. On more than one occasion he
will admonish: “Talk up. I’m completely fucking deaf.”
He is reflecting upon how he soldiered for a decade before “learning how to
write songs” and becoming a superstar in the US with 1985’s Scarecrow record.
“My grandfather gave me the greatest advice,” he says, “He told me, John if
you’re gonna hit a cocksucker, kill him. That was his way of saying there’s no
point in trying to do something in life that you’re not going to commit yourself
to. That was where I was at: you’re going to have to kill me to stop me. During
that period, from Scarecrow to [1989’s] Big Daddy I felt bulletproof. Then I had
a heart attack.”
How did that feel?
“Didn’t know I was having one,” he says. “But when I found out, man, I was
pissed. I cussed that doctor from one side down the other. Then I had to get
catheterized. Having a camera shoved up through your groin… That’s when you
realize how vulnerable you are.”
He lights another cigarette.
“You know they may have mentioned something about stopping smoking a couple of
times back then. I’ve just accepted that cigarettes will probably kill me and
His new album, No Better Than This, is his 21st studio set and was produced,
like its predecessor Life Death Love and Freedom, by T-Bone Burnett, who has
done the same job in piloting Mellencamp deep into American roots music as he
has with another veteran rocker, Robert Plant. Mellencamp learnt from the
album’s stand-up bassist David Roe that Roe’s previous employer Johnny Cash
thought him one of the 10 greatest American songwriters. He takes a more
circumspect view of his status.
“I feel like Jeff Bridges,” he says. “Wonderful actor but he never got his due
credit. There was always someone a little slicker, a little smarter. But he was
Mellencamp’s house is a mile up a dirt track from the studio and he drives to it
in his small green John Deere jeep at teeth-rattling speed. It’s a sprawling
stucco building, one part Mexican ranch house to one part Mediterranean villa.
Huge floor-to-ceiling windows look out onto the expanse of Lake Monroe.
He and his third wife Elaine, a former model, live here with their two sons, Hud,
16 a state boxing champion, and Speck, 15, a budding musician (Mellencamp has
three daughters from his two previous marriages). At weekends locals often boat
past the house, blaring out his music (he says he’s rarely at home then-he also
has two houses in Georgia and “a bunch of properties” in Indiana).
He recalls a more caustic response from this staunchly Republican state to his
2003 song To Washington, one of the first to protest at America’s invasion of
Iraq. He was driving with his eldest son listening to a talk radio station when
a caller rang into say he couldn’t decide who he hated more – Mellencamp or
Osama Bin Laden.
Political activism, he says, is ingrained in the family. He has a picture of his
mother, aged 19, picketing a local cannery. Perhaps his own most lasting legacy
will be Farm Aid, the annual charity gig and organization he co-founded with
Neil Young and Willie Nelson in 1985, which has raised $37 million for America’s
embattled independent famers. “I’m very liberal, almost radical,” he says.
“First time I met Barack Obama I told him, Man, you’re too conservative for me.”
He points out a clearing in the tree line on the far shore of the lake. A few
years back he bought an old cabin over there to do up and use for family
vacations. Once he’d paid for the place, he says, the previous owner sent him
newspaper clippings, explaining how three people had died there in the ‘30’s.
Two brothers got in a fight over a girl; one killed the other with a poker,
before panicking and driving off with the girl, only to crash his car into the
lake, drowning them both.
“The place was haunted,” he says. “I stayed in it for two nights, couldn’t stand
it. You’d hear things, shit would move. Sounds crazy, but it’s true.”
He and his friend, the horror writer Stephen King , have been working on a
musical play based on this story since 2000. Titled The Ghost Brothers Of
Darkland County, he expects it to finally be staged next year. The veteran
Norwegian actress Liv Ullman has been hired to direct. “It will,” he notes,
“either be so fucking good that you can’t stand it, or the worst piece of shit
your ever saw.”
He sold the cabin on years ago. Did he mention anything to the guy who bought
“Not a fucking word.”
The following morning we catch up wit him at a local airfield. For the past two
summers he has toured the US with Bob Dylan, playing minor league baseball parks
and state fairs. Tonight’s show is in Bend, Oregon a former logging town of
52,000 people. The private plane he hires for such trips, a nine-seater jet,
idles on the runway.
On the three hour fight, Q sits opposite Mellencamp and Mike Wanchic, his
guitarist of 35 years. They talk about various ailments afflicting mutual friends
in the offhand manner of men who’ve known each other a long time. “I said to
Elaine, “Sister, I’ve only got 20 years left,” says Mellencamp. “I said, What I
want is for you to lay my body out on a cooling board in the living room like
they used to, and people who want to come and see me lying dead can do so. After
that I don’t care what you do. Just get rid of me somehow. Elaine’s still
beautiful,” he adds, almost as an afterthought. “She could do better than a
cranky old man.”
The vibe at Bend‘s Les Schwab Amphitheatre is more village fete than rock gig.
This picturesque venue on the banks of the Deschutes River amounts to an expanse
of grass with room for 4000 people to sit on deckchairs and picnic rugs,
Mellencamp and his band take to the stage as the evening sky turns to pink. They
play for 65 minutes. The crowd responds most vocally to 20 year-old hits Paper
In Fire and Authority Song. But it’s more recent songs such as the folk hymnal
Save Some Time To Dream that he sings with most conviction. Early in the set a
security guard tries to forcibly seat a couple on the front row. Mellencamp
wanders to the lip of the stage and jams the neck of his guitar into his head.
“Only way to get the motherfucker to quit,” he determines later.
Afterwards he sits outside the silver Airstream caravan he has towed from gig to
gig. He is dressed in baggy tracksuit bottoms, a pair of reading glasses perched
on his nose. He looks like someone’s bookish uncle.
“Bob panders to no one,” he is saying, nodding towards the stage where Dylan and
his band have begun playing. “He takes no shit, never has and never will. I
really, really admire that in him.”
His assistant brings him a plate of barbecued food. “What makes you think I’m
going to eat that shit?” he asks her. She ignores him. He recalls that her
predecessor, who lasted 20 years, habitually referred to him as mean and
hateful. In a speech inducting him into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in 2008
his friend Billy Joel implored him to: “Stay ornery, stay mean-we need you to be
“Billy called up a bunch of people who’d worked for both of us,” he says. “He
said, John they all said they loved you, but they don’t like you. My conclusion
is I’m hard headed but soft hearted.”
He laughs, coughs, and laughs some more. And then he bids us goodnight and
stalks off to his caravan. A gaggle of people from the tour party is gathered
“Get the fuck way from my trailer,” he barks. And the he’s gone, cackling to